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I have been thoroughly pleased to date with the Kleo product. Typically any problems have been minor and generally easy to resolve.
What concerns me about this conversation specifically–and the Feature requests section overall–is the evidence that developers are moving on. This particular material has been at or near the top of the feature requests lists for a very, very long time. So long, in fact, that the LinkedIn feature I’d hoped for (pretty desperately at one time), is likely something the devs can no longer build. (Actually, since I first made my request and voted for it, Microsoft purchased LinkedIn and LinkedIn killed its API.)
Back to what worries me: Feature Requests aren’t being reviewed. No activity for months. When developers stop caring about what their customers want, it’s a clear sign they’ve moved on to something else. If they’ve moved onto something else, it’s critical for any site/business to re-evaluate its options.
I’ll repeat that I have been very pleased with Kleo and the developers working on it. I hope they decide to provide some news/updates regarding their commitment to Kleo and what we can expect from here.
It appears nobody is bothering to review this thread.
Probably a good time to start a new topic on the same matter.
Thanks for the response, Andrei.
My site is not as simple as a singular mag site + community.
I also have (and need) fairly full-function apps for classes, events, classifieds, a directory, shop, and more–all affiliated with the same domain.
Each of the apps I am content with, but its how to achieve the best performance, I am worried about. And it all changes depending on whom one speaks to.
Thanks Andrei–Of course I meant know sleight on your team–you’re the best there is.
I’m not a developer–maybe intermediate and learning something new everyday. I am a longtime publisher, however, and it’s clear to me that there’s a major void in content that the right organization can capitalize on.
Right now, for example, I have a lot of questions about the architecture of my site. Multisite over a series of subdomains? A single database? Multiple installations and dbs dedicated to each significant app? I admittedly have a lot of plugins–but they’re critical.
Thanks for all your hard work. It’s at least nice to know that 7Q can be counted on.
Thanks much. I do hope you decide to include it in the next version.
Your magazine demo design is terrific, but it’s obviously not terribly helpful with regard to this matter. I see tremendous value in the potential of offering tutorials that help people along these lines. While it could be time consuming, I believe you could be the first theme developer to offer sufficient substance along deeper lines than most.
The question involves a current theme limit. The answer presents new questions about added weight and development time. The solution, not presented here but alluded to, is using combo tags/cats. I think many people such as me (and I even have a 25-year history in publishing) are a little nervous about how they implement those techniques out of fear of having some SEO ramifications.
My thinking is I might want to have topics represented by categories, and story types (features, columns, departments, reviews) represented by tags. I don’t know. Point me toward some places that reference this? (I have done the Google search thing ad nauseum but not found anything particularly enlightening from a content perspective.)
Thanks and best,
SK
Hi Andrei–Thanks for the response!
Let me try to explain my objective clearer. I am not trying to run queries that exclude on a post by post basis so much as to eliminate duplicates appearing next to one another on a page with multiple containers on an index page that aggregates content from multiple categories.
It’s really a matter of content flow. Although there may be exceptions I encounter on occasion, I am trying to architect a page I can easily “set and forget.”
The reason this is important is that the importance of some posts will be greater than others at times, the expectation of readers is to have, generally speaking, a “standing element” (a place they know they will find certain content), and also to break up some of the monotonous characteristics of a single loop with a single style.
Let’s say I have a page with 4 rows and 1 column + 1 sidebar.
Row 1, let’s say, is a full-width post-based Rev Slider that shows all posts tagged as “Spotlight.” A Spotlight post is similar to a featured post but appears only on this page. A Spotlight post is tagged according to relevance and independent of Chronology. It might, for example, be the 2nd most recent post, the 6th, the 30th, and something two years old that re-emerges due to a news development.
Let’s say row 2 is a regular loop that includes the most recent 4 posts using your left thumbnail format, but to prevent dupes it “excludes” posts tagged as Spotlight, so it is printing most recent posts 1, 3, 4, 5.
Row 3 is simply a designed to add variety to the look, so it’s a single post in your “Standard” format. It would typically be the 5th post, but it also excludes Spotlight and the previous posts so it skips over 2 and 6 (another Spotlight post) and prints Post 7 instead.
Row 4 hypothetically resumes the chronology based loop in the left thumb format and includes 5 posts: 8, 9, 10, 11, 12.
Lastly let’s say my sidebar has 3 containers–an ad, a container featuring the three most INTERESTING posts under Category “People” in your news highlight format and a container comprising short original posts of news emerging from a conference. They’re newsworthy but not completely developed. (HEadline and short excerpt).
That means I don’t want these being being associated with the regular loop. BUT…if something is really important, one of the conference posts might be tagged as Spotlight… Where people are concerned, I may interview one that isn’t all that interesting so I want it to be part of the regular loop but excluded from the People loop.
I realize all this could seem confusing to you, but I have tried to highlight with a degree of specificity the need to build rules based containers that exclude posts from some categories and tags, but that also have a little flexibility for unusual situations.
If you have made it this far understanding what I mean, I will be mighty impressed!
Best,
Sean
I’m not sure how the status of this topic has been tagged as resolved, but it’s most definitely not.
Does anyone have an answer to the question of offsetting posts using Kleo’s post styles? I have been able to use other shortcodes and plugins to handle this easily, but typically there is a performance cost.
By offset, I mean finding a way to create a Kleo posts loop of say 5 posts, interrupt it, then start another loop at the 6th post? Kleo’s own magazine theme demonstrates why not being able to do this through a “Not__in” shortcode or php creates a problem. Without such a function, it’s very difficult to create a decent content page without repeated posts appearing on the page.
I love the Kleo theme and support, and have continuallly praised the developers, but content is a critical part of my existing business, and no answers on this matter is proving very problematic.
Should I consider switching themes?
Thanks for the response Laura, but I can’t say I am seeing an answer of any kind.
I know how to use categories, etc.–and thought I explained the reasons why that wouldn’t work in the original question. To repeat, ultimately I am seeking to build a dynamic layout that does not repeat content OR require a complex web of tags/categories to manage or explain to other editors.
Perhaps a single loop comprising entirely latest posts, for example, can have a top story that is a “Standard” format, then 4 “Grid” posts (Which would require an offset of 1, then 5 posts with the left thumbnail option (beginning with offset 5).
Am I to understand that coding a “NOT_IN” and also starting a loop after SKIPPING X POSTS is too challenging to bother? Or perhaps it’s a licensing issue? VC’s Posts elements include both options and many more, but of course, also introduce another layer of code, the need to customize css, etc.
I look forward to your response.
Best,
Sean
Thanks Laura–I am aware of the elements but am finding the Kleo-specific ones to be too limited for my needs compared to the generic post-related elements, which allow for specifying offset number, exclusions, etc.
I may be doing something wrong, but the generic elements better allow me to set-it and forget it, where content is concerned. I really prefer not having to enter specific posts/IDs, etc., and structuring a varied page that employs offset, exclusions, etc., without getting too manual on a post level.
Any recommendations for how to add offset and “Not In” logic using the Kleo post elements?
Once again, you all have done a top-notch job. It’s going to take me a while to identify/learn some new features–there’s so much stuff here! It’s super having room to grow.
Everyone gets the day off! 🙂
@Abe–thanks much and I also apologize if I’ve ben a thorn in your side.
Your service/support is second to none and I’ve never previously had anything but complete satisfaction from all of your hard work.
Whether due to personal reasons or professional–likely a combination thereof–I’ve really needed this update to come through so I wasn’t setting people on a course of action that would instantly be outdated.
Thanks again for all your hard work.
@splendor, I paid full price.
I suspect I know where you’re leading me with what you consider a clever question about economics you must be the first to think about. Just spell it out .
Thanks sharmstr. Losing parent is, of course, among the most significant of life’s challenges. The lists of tasks that follow, however, are never ending.
If the update doesn’t arrive soon I expect my business will suffer weeks of delays. I realize that’s not the developer’s fault, know they aren’t sitting on their hands, and prefer a release arrives with solid features and minimal bugs.
My issue is mainly that they have been so reliable previously I have come to take update announcements at their word and thus schedule major changes accordingly.
I have had nothing but respect and positive words for this developer, but admit I’m feeling some disappointment. I have contacted them privately to request a sneak peek, after a death in the family has forced a dramatic change in my upcoming schedule, which furthermore means I have to provide a new set of instructions about desired changes to support staff.
While responses are typically very quick, I have not received a reply. The last word I heard was on this board, claiming a download would be ready June 9 and promising delays would not, ahem, happen again….
Gaaaaaaah! You’re killin’ me! Sounds so awesome. You guys rock.
So, ahem, will we still have it “withiin 24h” of the post you sent 23 hours ago… !!! 🙂
Hey Abe, you all have in my experience never been late so I want to make sure this is a first time and not something I’m missing. Your previous post said the update would be available this past Tuesday at the latest. It’s now Friday. Are you just behind on this one?
Ohhhhh man, I can’t wait for this. I have spent so much time developing my own and I can’t seem to escape the feeling it’s a little off. Was hoping to finish my version this week, so your timing is interesting (though I may start obsessing all over again)!
Can you share any screens or anything?
Got it. Will post a short list in the main forum. Do you happen to know of any decent tools that check for js/jq conflicts? The buddypress cover photo is behaving oddly but I can’t seem to track down the conflict using the browser tools. Thanks.
Because you guys are awesome? Yep, I’d say so! 🙂
Hey, Abe, I have done a lot of customizing and have a short list of troubles that are (I believe) relatively insignificant and likely caused by a conflict I have created somewhere. I can’t track a couple of them down, however, so I can’t be sure. A couple others are probably simple fixes, but I’m not sure how to do it. Shall I post a short list, and if so, where do you prefer I post it?
Great job as always!
@Abe–you guys are doing great. A few slips here and there are inevitable. I recently used a theme that promised updates it didn’t deliver for an entire year. THAT was pure insanity.
Np. I may have jumped in to the threat too late, and thus read your comment “up” as meaning you uploaded v2 to Themeforest instead of what I’m reading now as go look at an above answer. I gather it’s still a little ways off?
Dang you guys are simply awesome. I’m still having a few problems I mentioned before but I have been traveling. A LOT of my needs are accounted for in this update without my ever asking. A customer for life!
I’ve been wrestling with this also. Depending on how you’re planning to use the background (and if it differs from page to page) I think a temporary solution might be to apply the 100% height to background of the main body tag in the child theme css. Not the most flexible option…
@JGCPH–Sort of related…Do you have any issues with css overrides? I still can’t get child theme settings to stick even using !important. Settings in the app.css file in the main theme won’t give up control and Abe previously mentioned I don’t need to create a child-theme version of app.css.Without finding whatever is preventing a few style override issues, I’m not too confident in making some seemingly simple css adjustments such as the full screen background cover you’re looking for.
Hi Catalin–I don’t know how, but the problem I was having suddenly disappeared (but a couple of new ones appeared..). Thanks for your offer of help on this–I will open a new thread regarding other matters if necessary.
I feel I am missing something regarding the mega menu. All I can see is a “larger/wider” menu, but I can’t seem to find any examples of a menu that holds things like images, etc.
Perhaps that is all there is, but if not would you mind attaching or linking me to an example?
